Curse

Matsumi · Jun 17, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Oh ok, had to look at the updates page. Didn't know they got more powerful depending on your rank in the title. Yea, I guess that would kind of suck, but at least everything you do now even blessings from the shrine count towards the title.

The Hand Of Death · Jun 18, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

No you didnt get it. What I said is that people are complaining because they chose to go one way but now they want both ways. And by doing that they screw over the people that chose the other way. It is still possible to get the titles. It doesnt take as long as you think. You pick one or the other (pre-update I'm talking about) and now people are whining that they want both because "OMG I NEEDZ TEH PVE ONLY SKILLZ NOW NOW NOW!1!one!11!!!1!!"

How does it screw you guys over? Because for all the people who spent it on jade/amber before are going to take title points away from you? You will still have the title. I forget who it was, but wasn't it you who said that it was our selfish decision to choose jade/amber. Well isn't it your selfish decision to make people who should have the title with the new update not to have it because you want your title to feel more special?

The Hand Of Death · Jun 18, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Navaros

This reminds me of when Survivor first was put into the game and 100% of everyone's original main characters were screwed over without the chance of getting it since they didn't know beforehand their deaths would be held against them. Anet didn't do anything to stop screwing over those beloved original characters and give them an equal opportunity at earning Survivor. I don't see why Faction amber/jade traders should get more special treatment than Survivor title seekers who never had a chance to get Survivor on their old main character.

There are two differences between the survivor title and the friend titles. The first is that the survivor title doesn't affect anything while the rank in the friend titles effects how useful the pve skills are. The second is that how many people got screwed over because of the survivor title introduction? My best guessdamate would be mostly everyone meaning everyone was still put on a level playing area; they all had to start new characters to get the survivor title. The friend title is different because all the FFers got the title by FFing while the people who weren't in FF guilds decided to use it on themselves and now don't get the benefits.

The Great Al · Jun 18, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

Miral · Jun 18, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

because they can't do one thing they shouldn't do another? are you listening to yourself? oy. thats like saying because the US government can't catch every pot smoker, they shouldn't arrest people for burglary...

Perfected Shadow · Jun 18, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

There was a suggestion to make the allegiance skills based on the prot of cantha title instead (can't be bothered to quote), if you want it like that, then the sunspear skills should be tied to prot of elona, to even it out (reasoning: it takes more skill to complete prot of elona than grinding to max the sunspear title).

The Hand Of Death · Jun 18, 2007, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

Because all the people who either got jade/amber or put it into their alliance got the points for monster killing...

Miral · Jun 18, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

There was a suggestion to make the allegiance skills based on the prot of cantha title instead (can't be bothered to quote), if you want it like that, then the sunspear skills should be tied to prot of elona, to even it out (reasoning: it takes more skill to complete prot of elona than grinding to max the sunspear title).

that was my suggestion... and either way is fine by me. im rank 8 sunspear and have protector of elona, both are fairly painless and actually fun to acquire, no grinding needed for either...

Neo Nugget · Jun 18, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Has Gaile or anyone posted regarding this topic? And i wish the blessing would have as many points as sunspear, Maybe more because the total faction for the title is quite a bit more than the sunspear title. I just want Something besides ab(losing isnt a very good way to get faction), Faction farming(repetitive but much better than ab for getting faction). what i hear is it is around 4k-5k for killing an entire area and that seems like it would take longer to get than AB.

I really dont see how this hurts the people that oppose this idea. Does it really hurt them?They will have everything that we will have.

The Great Al · Jun 18, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Miral

because they can't do one thing they shouldn't do another? are you listening to yourself? oy. thats like saying because the US government can't catch every pot smoker, they shouldn't arrest people for burglary...

There's a difference between people getting caught for doing something illegal, and a group of FFFers getting a nice handful of faction because they farmed for amber, while people who just went out and killed monsters don't get the faction that the amber traders 'deserve'.

IMO, it shouldn't be retroactive to either group. If you traded the faction in for amber, then you got what you wanted - you chose amber over advancing your title track (even though it would have been nice if there was a hint that this track would count towards a title - we knew that there were going to be SS skills.

Evilsod · Jun 18, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Yeah tbh i'm more annoyed that these Kurzick/Luxon skills came literally out of the blue...

It would've been nice if Gaile did something RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing useful and told us we were getting skills linked to the title. So much faction wasted on Amber that i don't even use when i could've got a nice buffer for my Kurzick Allegience title.

The Great Al · Jun 18, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

It really was a surprise...we knew we were getting the sunspear one, hell, we even knew that during the double sunspear weekend. I got my LB up to r6, I was pretty sure that gaile said that there would be a new LB skill, but no big deal....but yeah, in the future it'd be nice to know what title tracks to work on. There was really no point to ever work on these titles before.

Pwny Ride · Jun 18, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

if they make this retroactive, then I want some Kurzick points for every monster I've killed in the Kurzick areas of Factions. Can't do this? Then they better not give points for traded amber/jade...

Nice logic there. I wont even try to understand it but ill make one thing clear to you.

Faction on an account is TRACKED.
They have a ~ 'you have earned xxxx amount of xxxxx faction on this account'.

Monster kills are NOT tracked, and the data can not be recalled, and i even doubt it was stored.

This can be done, im sure. Maybe not easily but it can. Formula may be~

Total Faction Accumulated - Faction advancement in title = leftover faction traded for materials.

THEN

leftover faction traded for materials + Faction advancement in title = a fix.

Div · Jun 18, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

/signed

Yeah, the allegiance track should just be based on how much we've farmed so far, and forget the whole double counting for buying skills...

Niila · Jun 18, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Nice logic there. I wont even try to understand it but ill make one thing clear to you.

Faction on an account is TRACKED.
They have a ~ 'you have earned xxxx amount of xxxxx faction on this account'.

Monster kills are NOT tracked, and the data can not be recalled, and i even doubt it was stored.

This can be done, im sure. Maybe not easily but it can. Formula may be~

Total Faction Accumulated - Faction advancement in title = leftover faction traded for materials.

THEN

leftover faction traded for materials + Faction advancement in title = a fix.

Or to make it more simple, just make the amount it shows in faction bar to alliance title track.

watrah · Jun 18, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

/unsigned

ok let me get this right so you spend your factions o get amber/jade for money and armor and Anet have give you additional bonus to help you with title track and still u are not happy about it and you want more. What about those who spend the factions in there title didn't they deserve something like jade/amber for there hard work or you just went for 1 side where you belong to and skip the other side

For me Anet should take out this because it is unfair if you want jade/amber/scroll you shouldn't get any bonus for the title because u choose the money over loyalty to you luxon/kurzk alliance so you can only get rank by only donat and that what I think it is the right thing to do

bilateralrope · Jun 18, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by watrah

/unsigned

ok let me get this right so you spend your factions o get amber/jade for money and armor and Anet have give you additional bonus to help you with title track and still u are not happy about it and you want more. What about those who spend the factions in there title didn't they deserve something like jade/amber for there hard work or you just went for 1 side where you belong to and skip the other side

For me Anet should take out this because it is unfair if you want jade/amber/scroll you shouldn't get any bonus for the title because u choose the money over loyalty to you luxon/kurzk alliance so you can only get rank by only donat and that what I think it is the right thing to do

And what good would donating the faction to my alliance of done when we don't have anywhere enough people farming the faction to ever have a hope of holding a town ?

So since it does nothing, I've got a choice between a meaningless title or some gold. So why should I of gone for the title ?

And for the people in the town holding alliances, they can make gold from reselling from the discount merchants.

Patrick Smit · Jun 18, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Because maybe in the future titles are gonna mean something, now u say survivor is worthless, but maybe it will change in GWEN or GW2, and maybe all titles u want to benefit from should be on one person. etc etc. Retroactivity may be an option, but then also give amber or jade to the ones that went for the title instead. It will not yield as much money as before, but hey it is at least something to compensate for the simple title gain others got for just farming materials.

Alternatively the scales could be changed, say 5-10 miljon for the max title, and only 2 or 2.5 for tier eleven 500-750k for tier 10. In this way people can make relatively fast high levels becoming effective soon on, as with sunspear levels, while maxing it will still take the old grind.

Kratos Angel · Jun 18, 2007, 11:18 AM // 11:18

/notsigned
The title has became much easier to do, you can now progress your title when transfering to your guild, when you buy amber or jade, when you buy skills etc... It now works for the title track, wtf do you want ? You want to be R10 kurzick/luxon with playing 2 or 3 ab ?? No really
/notsigned, definitely

Pwny Ride · Jun 18, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by Niila

Or to make it more simple, just make the amount it shows in faction bar to alliance title track.

Yea i was explaining a formula used to work it out...